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shad master · Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:07 pm Post subject: While we're on the subject

Since there is a running dialog going on in another thread about possible changes to the meeting and banquet raffles, I thought I would weigh in on a couple of other ideas that I have heard mentioned and thought about.

1) Big Bass Payout - currently we break down the payouts for big stringer to 1st, 2nd and 3rd (usually with 3rd getting their money back and maybe a little bit more) and the Big Bass gets a winner take all (this is some times a fairly good sum of $'s). I have even won the Big Bass pot a couple of times and it was pretty cool - the problem is I cannot honestly say that this was more than just pure luck. It seems to me that we should reward a consistent effort for a full day's fishing more than just one luck cast. I don't really know enough math and stuff to put together a formula that would be more equitable (maybe someone else does have an idea) but one thought that occurred to me would be to have the Big Stringer take all and Big Bass be broken down to 1st, 2nd and 3rd. This way we could use the same formula and just switch the column headings.

2) I brought up a couple of meetings ago about expanding our tournament on Okoboji and think about making it a two-day event rather than one day. We travel a long way to get there and it is the biggest lake we fish. My thought here is that the second day would simply be a "cull up" from the previous day's card. Maybe shorten the time so people can get on the road, but still have a chance to improve on the previous day.

These are just ideas and I am not invested in either one. Just wondered what you thought.
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Leadpipe · Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:10 pm Post subject:

Well as for me, the fact that I could win "Big Bass" with one lucky cast...is the incentive for me to pitch in five bucks and see what happens. I know that "Stringer" is split and sometimes it seems like a "wash" but even by getting 3rd place. you get to compeat and if you think of it as having 3 way's of at least getting your bet back, makes it a bit more fun.
One thing is for sure, there is only one biggest Bass in every tourney. Rolling Eyes

As for a two day'er at Boji, we've found that it won't work. Some of the guys can't stay so the best we can do is put together a impromtu calcutta and make it a 4 or 5 hour deal. But it's a blast to just FUN fish till noon, then head home.
But like Shad. I'm open for better ideas.. Shocked

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treehunter · Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:04 am Post subject:

i like the big bass pay out you never know when that 1 will hit plus it makes you throw 1 more time

i would go for a higher entry fee for the calcuta onother 5$ is not much. first place will still get the bigger chunck and 2,3 third will pay more than just money back. more money more comp.

as for boji i dont care either way
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Hawghunter · Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:52 pm Post subject:

Just some stats for those that feel the one catching the biggest fish of the day is a total random event. I went back to the last 5 years of Club regular season events, 35 in all. The winner of the event had Big Bass in 14 of the 35 events (40% of the time). 3 times the runner up had Big Bass, 6 times the 3rd place finisher had Big Bass. So we are now up to 23 of the 35 events someone in the top 3 had Big Bass (65.71%). Another 3 times the 4th place finisher had Big Bass and twice the 5th place finisher had Big Bass. So 28 of 35 events the Big Bass winner ended up in the top 5 (80% of the time). Only 7 times did the Big Bass winner finish outside the top 5 (20%). I would say some of those top 5's were because of that single fish, but I would bet that most of those were due to the angler just getting on the right pattern during the day. There is a bit of randomness in the Big Bass winner, but looking at past events, less than you would think. You have to be around big fish with the correct presentation then you have to boat the fish. If winning this award is just 'luck', then catching any fish is also just 'luck'. Just my thoughts.

I can't say I care what the payouts are or how much is in the pot. If it is something that interests me, I will get in it, if not, I won't. I don't care if we change the format of an event or not. Tell me what the rules are, I will either go or I won't, will get in the optional pots or not.

I always look for a reason to change something, not to change something just to change it. So on the optional pots, I would ask will a change get more people involved, less people or the same number. Same with a change in the 'Boji format. Will more get involved in the trip North, less or the same. So I guess that would be the question for me. I guess I am not real sure what these changes 'fix'. Maybe I am just missing it though.

Leadpipe · Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:29 am Post subject:

I'm using "One lucky cast" as a relitive term. Laughing

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treehunter · Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:16 am Post subject:

not that is just one lucky cast, but the angler must have some kind of pattern that is working in orderf to get that cast in most cases there is just one fish on the card that stands out among the rest that is why i say (lucky cast)
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Bigroostertail · Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:21 pm Post subject:

I will normaly get into Big Bass pot if in anything at all. About the only time I won't is if I know Lew Harrison is getting in.. Smile

My brain process is that I guess I try to fish for one fish, I try to find one big fish. A full card is a bonus. It generaly takes a full card to place 1,2 or 3... Thinking back my guess is that my percentage of Big Fish wins is just as good if not better then my first place scores .. I am of the opinion that the big bass pot is for the big bass.. Also if you want to increase big stringer payout we would need to increase big stringer parlay.. If everyone that wants to participate gets behind it then away we go. My bet is on the Big Bass...
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Bigroostertail · Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:48 pm Post subject:

Our club tournament format and year end results are based on a schedule of seven one day events. That is our format, that is what the membership expects. I know of no ground swell effort to change that. I know that there is a minority effort to change length of tournament from 8 to 9 hours, but that has failed to pass on several attempts.

If we want to organize a deal for a second day on Boji by rule at this time it would not score as a club sanctiond event.
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Hawghunter · Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:45 pm Post subject:

The votes have been close for that 8 VS 9 hour format and in one year we even changed it 3 times (March 2003 from 9 to 8, July 2003 8 to 9, March 2004, 9 to 8). I think it is voted on pretty much every March and the vote depends on who is in attendence, but 8 has won out each vote since July 2003. That extra hour does have an affect on score cards.

Bigroostertail · Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:45 pm Post subject:

That extra hour sometimes has an affect on the syatic nerve conection in the middle of my back also... Razz

Yah, I know..... Very Happy

Badger Creek was about 7 hours to long.. Was a pain in a place my syatic nerve doesn't come close to... (lol)
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